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I have been reading about what Dr Yin has to say about Dominance in Dogs and i want to know what you think.
She is "Debunking the Myths of Dominance Training". The idea of dominance training is that when your dealing with difficult dogs you just have to dominate them and teach them who’s boss to get them to behave. Dr Yin addresses this but has other opinions about how to train for behavior. For example she lists these ideas...
1. Clearly defining guidelines for behavior, such as sitting patiently to ask for what you want.
2. Communicating these guidelines by reinforcing the desirable behaviors immediately as they occur and removing reinforcers for undesirable before they are reinforced.
3. Avoiding reinforcement of undesirable behaviors and only reinforcing the desirable behaviors frequently enough and consistently enough for the good behaviors to become a habit.
Here is the link to Ask Dr. Yins page about dominance in dogs.
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Dominance training came about when a person (can’t remember that name…HATE WHEN THAT HAPPENS!!!) saw wild wolves in captivity interact with each other. They all came from different packs, and thus did not get along. In a real wolf pack, wolves DO NOT submit each other, they look up to the leader, who actually, usually is the parent. Of course, we also have the argument that wolves don’t bribe each other with food, but then I argue…WOLVES DON’T TRAIN EACH OTHER!!! If people actually thought about that, they would understand this. *smile* education is the key. Anyone can train with an iron hand, but not everyone with love!
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Dominance training came about when a person (can’t remember that name…HATE WHEN THAT HAPPENS!!!) saw wild wolves in captivity interact with each other. They all came from different packs, and thus did not get along. In a real wolf pack, wolves DO NOT submit each other, they look up to the leader, who actually, usually is the parent. Of course, we also have the argument that wolves don’t bribe each other with food, but then I argue…WOLVES DON’T TRAIN EACH OTHER!!! If people actually thought about that, they would understand this. *smile* education is the key. Anyone can train with an iron hand, but not everyone with love! I hate when that happens!! I saw the same study and cant remember who it was either. anyways... the whole alpha/dominance theory says if we dont eat before our dogs, walk through doorways first, or if we pet them when they want they are going to take over the world!  I am not saying some dogs dont need more leadership than others, but some of this stuff is rediculous. Dogs do not think we are strange dogs that walk around on 2 legs, they know we are not dogs. We as humans can not expect to be able to mimic or interperat dog launuge 100% accurately. I have raised 5 guide dog puppies and am getting a sixth one on Monday. Those dogs have been standard poodle 3 dobermans and a lab (boxer coming soon) I also grew up with german shepherds and a shepherd wolf hybrid, and now I have 4 shelties. Not once have i resorted to alpha rolls nor do I make my dogs wait to eat until I am done. They do go out the door before me and gasp!!! when they come up and nudge my hand I pet them  I have never had a problem with any of the dogs trying to dominate me or my kids. All of them eat togather and I can reach in their bowl at anytime and take their food away. (even when they are eating raw) I personally like Dr Ian Dunbar, not only is he a kind trainer he is also funny!
 
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| Just don't confuse Alpha w/ dominance. Alpha theory is no longer considered as applicable to dogs as it once was. Why? Because wolves are not dogs, and mentally they function quite differently... let alone that the original studies focused on wolves in captivity, and they behave very differently than dogs do... Dogs, being so domesticated, are at home in a human engineered environment. You lead a dog, you don't just boss it around, the relationship needs to be based on trust as much as dominance for it to be reliable. Oh yeah... and um, since her 'theories' are nothing new or remarkable, I abstained from voting. It's just rehashed knowledge that most trainers were thinking about a long time ago.
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rainsmom (10/8/2009) but some of this stuff is rediculous. Dogs do not think we are strange dogs that walk around on 2 legs, they know we are not dogs. We as humans can not expect to be able to mimic or interperat dog launuge 100% accurately. ROFL! Ever notice how these people can't actually SHOW you a dog that can actually DO anything, like oh say, lead a blind person properly, or find a lost person deep in the woods, or locate human scent or remains in shattered building... Yet they swear up and down it works. LOL.
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rainsmom (10/8/2009) but some of this stuff is rediculous. Dogs do not think we are strange dogs that walk around on 2 legs, they know we are not dogs. We as humans can not expect to be able to mimic or interperat dog launuge 100% accurately. ROFL! Ever notice how these people can't actually SHOW you a dog that can actually DO anything, like oh say, lead a blind person properly, or find a lost person deep in the woods, or locate human scent or remains in shattered building... Yet they swear up and down it works. LOL. Terry, you would not believe some of the stuff people do to be "alpha" I have heard of people saying you need to cover their dogs urine with their own to show them that they are boss, and one guy even resorted to humping his aggressive rottie to show he was dominate
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I agree with Dr. Yin. Those tips are the bulk of how I train--I actually do use a bit of positive punishment, though. Partly from habit (from before learning about positive reinforcement training), partly because there's nothing wrong with certain methods of negative punishment.
I believe that the dominance theory is pretty muchly hyped-up. All that's needed, really, to have a dog see you as leader is to control resources.
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rainsmom (10/9/2009)
Terry, you would not believe some of the stuff people do to be "alpha" I have heard of people saying you need to cover their dogs urine with their own to show them that they are boss, and one guy even resorted to humping his aggressive rottie to show he was dominate Well I must admit I've never tried humping a client's dog  People can sure be goofy can't they? Most of that stuff comes from a friend of a cousin's husband's uncle's boss's niece, or some such, and they will SWEAR by it. 
Terry B America is a large friendly dog in a very small room. Every time it wags its tail, it knocks over a chair. - Arnold Toynbee (1889-1975)
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