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| Sorry, but his methods are completely outdated! The method he uses is so detrimental to dogs that no GOOD trainer out ther uses them anymore! Harsh is never a good way to be with a dog...there's no need to be mean! Patience and repetition. That's the way! I want my dogs to do what I ask of them out of love and respect, not fear!
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caninejan (8/31/2009)
Sorry, but his methods are completely outdated! The method he uses is so detrimental to dogs that no GOOD trainer out ther uses them anymore! Harsh is never a good way to be with a dog...there's no need to be mean!Patience and repetition. That's the way! I want my dogs to do what I ask of them out of love and respect, not fear! well put!! I completly agree I like to use Victoria Stillwells method or Volhard method. Ceaser is to harsh. If you understand k9 body language and watch the show you can see the many many stress signs the dogs give.
 
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caninejan (8/31/2009)
Sorry, but his methods are completely outdated! The method he uses is so detrimental to dogs that no GOOD trainer out ther uses them anymore! Harsh is never a good way to be with a dog...there's no need to be mean!Patience and repetition. That's the way! I want my dogs to do what I ask of them out of love and respect, not fear! well put!! I completly agree I like to use Victoria Stillwells method or Volhard method. Ceaser is to harsh. If you understand k9 body language and watch the show you can see the many many stress signs the dogs give. Thanks, rainsmom. I get really put out when I see some of these "training" shows! Have you ever seen "Good Dog U"???? Wow, what a way to confuse your dog. I agree with you on V. Stillwell and Volhard. Much better! Your comment on K9 body language is spot-on! Try to find that with a good trainer!
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rainsmom (9/1/2009)
caninejan (8/31/2009)
Sorry, but his methods are completely outdated! The method he uses is so detrimental to dogs that no GOOD trainer out ther uses them anymore! Harsh is never a good way to be with a dog...there's no need to be mean!Patience and repetition. That's the way! I want my dogs to do what I ask of them out of love and respect, not fear! well put!! I completly agree I like to use Victoria Stillwells method or Volhard method. Ceaser is to harsh. If you understand k9 body language and watch the show you can see the many many stress signs the dogs give. It may be harsh, but it would be cool to have 45 dogs following you... *thoughtful* I really like Kyra Sundance though. She has the world's smartest dog or whatever. But I think her training methods are kind of true.
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| Great posts here. Lots of good ideas about leadership too. However, true leadership comes from within. It can be learned of course but if you don't watch your interactions with dogs you may be causing confusion. With an easy dog it doesn't matter but with a tough one it does. There are people who use all the rules listed here of leadership (NILIF, Sit attention, Control the food, control the resources, etc) but their dogs still walk all over them and disrespect them. This occurs when the dog sees the weakness in the owner because the owner is going through the motions but not truly taking charge. A true leader can approach the dog and not say or do anything and the dog immediately respects that person. OTOH, there are some dogs who have learned to be so disrespectful that they will challenge the best of leaders. Bringing this back to Cesar, I like his emphasis on exercise. I like his mantre of Exercise, Discipline, Affection. I like the emphasis on leadership. I disagree with almost all of the methods used and in most of the applications. I do like how he reaches the people though. IMO, he should be a human psycholist not a dog trainer! <G>
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I do think that sometimes he is too harsh. You will get more bees with honey than vinegar. I think he sometimes needs to come in acting more like a friend, than a dominator, then lead into the alpha role. However, I do understand where there are times when you have to put your foot down and be a little harsh, but not all the time.
I also think that dogs need more mental stimulation that just walking. Whether they are a hunting or herding dog or not, a dog needs a purpose, it needs something to do. I don't think he enforces that enough.
In my opinion, it is not about being completely dominant, it's about being the alpha, having your dog respect you as the alpha, but not fear you, and have fun living together. Of course the human LOVES it when the dog obeys, but what about the dog? Sometimes, we have to think like a dog to realize what they want out of the relationship, and that is love, fun, and a full belly!
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I do not agree with that.
I do not see anything too harsh in his methods.
He never strikes a dog, he never hits a dog.
A dog needs to know who is in charge, and it is the human.
The dog does not come first, the human does.
Shooshing a dog away , there is nothing wrong with that.
There has to be boundaries, limits.
Our dogs do not run our life, we do not live with them, they live around us.
they are spoiled, they have a very good life, nobody hits them, nobody yelling at them.
Our Dogs are not spoiled,we're just well trained 
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while he doesnt hit a dog like Brad patterson has done, he does do what he calls a touch. Which isnt too big of a deal unless you have a sensitive dog. His alpha rolls is an outdated method of training that goes on the theory that all dogs are waiting for us people to slip up so they can take over the world  All this alpha nonsense is based on someone observing captive bred wolves and apply it to dogs, which gives false results. Studies done on wild wolves has shown that while their is a dominate breeding pair there is not a strict hierarchy going on. I reccomend reading Whatever Happened To The Term Alpha Wolf? by L. David Mech
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I'm all for being strict and having discipline. I mean, really. You cannot train successfully without these things, no matter what method you use. But I cannot justify some of the things I have seen Cesar do. I honestly believe that he could have handled Jonbee's case differently, for example.
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