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| I'm really not trying to bash anyone who his method works for them. I say take what works and abandon what doesn't! I use some of his more humane practices and physiology but I'm almost positive that some of it that he preaches dogs dislike they actually like... What do you think? Please don't reply rudely- I'm not trying to offend anyone and if I do, please tell me so I can correct it! Thanks...
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Show me a trainer, especially a TV trainer, who is right all the time.
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True... I REALLY like Brad Pattison- although it's harsh it WORKS!
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Aggressive (please let me use that terminology) trainers are NOT good trainers. A GOOD trainer is able to get a dog to do what is correct without having to PUT the dog into submission. A good trainer will make a dog understand with love and affection that what the dog is doing is incorrect. I LOVE Victoria from Its Me or the Dog!
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| Cesar Millan works only if you know what your doing! Cesar can controll 40 dogs at one time but some random person who just found out about that training last week is not going to make the dog worship him in five minutes (think me) however there ARE ways to be dominant like being the only one to control his food (the POWER!!!) and not letting him get up on the furniture unless he's invited. Never giving him free food, NEVER EVER let him get away with growling, and not letting him go through doors or up and down the stairs in front of you. There are lots more but I forgot them hehe. However I agree completely that dogs can pick up stress and it makes them act out. Every time we saw a dog on walks, I thought "uh oh, fight brewing!" and BAM! she was snarling and barking or they'd sniff happily and then they'd start fighting eachother. (unless it was submissive to her, then she didn't fight) Then whenever I walked near another dog, I not only distracted her with treats but I also would repeat "I am in charge, I'm awesome, Luna won't get into a fight cuz I don't feel like that happening, I'm in charge." It sounds dumb but it actually works! If you think confident, you feel confident, and your dog feels better and is more likely to be calmer. It also works when you're ice skating "Not gonna fall, I am fine, I won't fall, cuz I'm AWESOME!!" hehe  So I guess parts of it are true but others aren't.
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Cesar Millan works only if you know what your doing!
I agree, although this is true with any method. I mean, if you know nothing about positive reinforcement, you won't be able to use that to it's full potential either. But "works only if you know what your doing" is especially true with methods like Cesar's.
All four quadrants--positive reinforcement, negative reinforcement, positive punishment, and negative punishment--work when used in the correct way.
Positive reinforcement: Enforcing a desired behavior by using rewards.
Negative reinforcement: Not acknowledging obedience in a dog.
Positive punishment: Correcting a dog by adding some force on them, from a shock collar to a slap on the hiney.
Negative punishment: Correcting a dog by not giving them what they really want until they obey.
I personally prefer to use only two of these quadrants, positive reinforcement and negative reinforcement, almost exclusively. Although all four quadrants work, I feel that training my dog with by positively motivating him will lead to a better relationship than using positive punishment and negative reinforcement would. Some trainers say you absolutely need all four quadrants, and while I think this may be partly true, my philosophy is: if I don't have to slap/shock/prod my dogs, then why do so?
Anyway, if a trainer really knows how the method he uses works and he knows dog behavior as good as he should, of course he'll be successful to at least some extent.
~Tiffany, breeder-in-training
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Truth enlightens the mind, but won't always bring happiness to your heart.
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| Personally, I don't really use any of his stuff on my dog, because I know what works for my dog with my own techniques and with the knowledge i've gained from other dog enthusiasts. I do like to watch him, and other trainers as well, and sometimes what they do isn't worth it, and sometimes it's interesting. I think it just depends on the dog.
Some dogs respond better when they are put into submission, and others respond better when they are patiently worked with and not put into submission. However, people do need to put themselves ahead of the dog in "pack" leadership, otherwise you may not get any points through, even with harsh techniques or gentle ones.
If you have a good conenction with your dog, you know what bothers them and what will work for them one way or another. You just have to pay attention to reactions and body language and properly help them if there is a serious problem or something needs fixing.
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In my opinion, being a leader is all about controlling the resources. Always worked for me thus far. Dogs see it as, you have the power to give them what they desire, so they do as you say in exchange for treats, toys, playtime, attention, etc. But first you have to show them that they have to obey you to get what they want.
One technique I personally recommend for establishing leadership is NILIF (Nothing in Life is Free)--make your dog do some trick before you give him something he wants.
I don't always make my dogs sit before I feed/play with them...I kinda switch it up. They never know quite what to expect because sometimes I'll just have them stay and release, sometimes I'll make them stay awhile, sometimes I'll ask for a trick, or sometimes I just put down the food and let them eat once I step away.
Is it the truth? Maybe. In my experience, it is. But maybe I'm wrong. There are precious few certainties on this world.
~Tiffany, breeder-in-training
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I'm the God-fearing, gun toting, flag waving conservative that the liberals warned you about.
Truth enlightens the mind, but won't always bring happiness to your heart.
colliequest.deviantart.com
My website is an introduction to the world of responsible dog breeding:
cookiemiller.tripod.com
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| ""In my opinion, being a leader is all about controlling the resources."" totally! My dog doesn't have to do a trick for dinner, but only if she eats from a busy buddy toy. Those take awhile to feed them.
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