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Posted 4/27/2009 11:18:35 AM


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Hi! My name is Christina Tanon and I am writing a book called The Mastery of Breeding American Pit Bull Terriers: Breeding for Perfection. I am writing it with the help of other Pit Bull breeders. I wanted any input that ya’ll would like to tell me about your breeding “tricks”. Please nothing regarding breeding for American Bullies, Razor Edge, or Gotti lines, etc. Only working, show lines. Thanks!

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Posted 5/6/2009 9:57:40 AM


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Gotti, and razors edge are both show bloodlines. Gotti and razors edge are blue pit bloodlines and most blue pits are bred for show. Alot of american bullys have gotti and razors edge. But there are many American pitbull terriors bred for show that have gotti and or razors edge bloodlines.

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Posted 5/6/2009 12:08:38 PM


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They don't do good in shows though...Read the UKC breed standard, they just don't match it at all.

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Posted 5/9/2009 8:52:16 AM


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Well I kno all the blue pits I have owned have done wonderful in the show ring and as working dogs, such as weight pulling and things along those lines, Iv owned pits my whole life and my whole family has also and we've all showed and worked are blue pits. And I dont think there was a time that we had got any lower than 3rd place. They even have events just for blue bully breeds, incudling blue pitbulls, and american bullys, bull terriers and along those lines.  Well good luck with your book

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Posted 5/11/2009 7:30:35 AM


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I have nothing against blue pit bulls just the bully ones.

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Posted 5/11/2009 8:55:59 AM


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What I dont get is why do they have to make bullys a different "breed". If you do the research there pitbulls just bred for bigger heads and wider chests. Its kind of dumb if you ask me but thats just how the world is I guess. Hows the book coming along?

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Posted 5/11/2009 10:48:27 AM


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The book is coming along great! I don't like wide chests on pits cause it makes them look ugly. Pits are suppose to be athletic and be able to scale six foot fences or higher, those bully pits can't...Your Pit Bulls are really gorgeous!

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Posted 5/11/2009 1:55:03 PM


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I agree. Dont get me wrong some bullys are very pretty but most look like there on storiods and just not what I like. I like beefy pits but not that beefy. I like my men the same way lol. I dont want a body builder!!! lol The blue pup I just got I think would be considered an american bully, hes really stocky.  Hopefully he dont have a real wide chest. I do like the big heads tho. When is the book going to be done? And how am I going to get a copy?! Im interested in reading it fersure. And Im excited for you

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I'll give more info when I am closer to publishing but you can read this for now:
The Art of Dog Breeding
By Christina Alexandria Tañón
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Dog breeding is not a hobby. It is not for those who do not have time, nor for the anti-social, but it is most especially not for those who are just in it for profit. Bo Bennington, a breeder, handler, judge, and author clearly states in his book, Best in Show: “In many ways a true breeder is like an artist, but instead of sculpting marble or painting in oil, the medium is living flesh. At the least, it takes months – more often years – before you evaluate your efforts, but the work can never be put away, mistakes cannot easily be wiped out, and the raw material one is working with needs constant attention and care. What a person achieves as a breeder is never permanent and keeps changing, sometimes for the better, and sometimes not, sometimes thanks to one’s efforts and sometimes in spite of them. As soon as the breeder succeeds in improving one feature, a different one begins to slip, and getting all the pieces of the puzzle right even in one single dog – let alone an entire family – is almost impossible.”

Many breeders in the entire world, but more of which are in the United States, do not breed dogs correctly. Some breed for money, others because want their children to experience puppies developing and growing, and others just because they want a puppy like their adult, but are unwilling to pay for another. Breeding, though, is to increase the quality of the breed, and as Bo Bennington states: “It is literally a labor of love.” It is not for mere profit; for good breeders rarely gain any profit from the puppies, but for the love of the breed, and the hope to increase its positive characteristics.

Bo Bennington also again states: “A real breeder is an idealist who works for decades, often for a lifetime, to produce a family of homebred dogs of such soundness and beauty, with excellence of breed type and temperament to match, that their quality is apparent to all within the fancy. A talented breeder will produce dogs with a particular ‘look’ recognizable as coming from this particular kennel.”

Breeding takes time and patience, especially when dealing with a stubborn dog. Breeding can be easier in some breeds more than in others. For example, an American Pit Bull Terrier is much easier to breed than a Dachshund, for a Dachshund will be stubborn, and will often refuse to mate, while the American Pit Bull Terrier will be more willing to accept the stud, as it is a natural tendency of the breed to be obedient. In cases like this, semen can be extracted and used on the dame. Some breeders do not believe semen should be extracted and used this way, because they believe that the dame has a good reason for rejecting the stud. In most cases, though, the dame may just not like the sire. Dr. Dieter Fleig, and experienced breeder of Bull Terriers, once told of his Brindle Bull Terrier which refused to breed with any colored Bull Terrier , and would only breed with pure white Bull Terriers.

Though hard to believe, “Dogs have their own preferences”, states Dr. Carolyn Coile, a breeder and handler of top quality Saluki’s. Often it helps to use artificially extracted semen on the dame, to produce top quality puppies. Sometimes when a female will refuse to mate, and then, if the breeders believes that puppies from this sire will increase the positive characteristics of the breed considerably, he can use artificially extracted semen. In other cases, the breeder may ship semen if the sire is far away, and/or she does not wish to ship her dame to the sire. It can be artificially extracted from the male, by a veterinarian, or by the breeder themselves, and then can be used on the dame. Many times it works, while others it doesn’t, it is completely a matter of chance.

Before picking a dame or stud the breeder must figure out what type of breeding process he will do. There are three types of breeding processes: Line breeding, inbreeding, and out crossing. Line breeding is the best form of breeding, but many breeders are afraid to do it, while other claim they are unable to. Line breedings have produced some of the most wonderful show and working dogs. Line breeding is the process of breeding distant relatives together. For example, breeding a dame to her grandsire, or a stud to his granddame. A second cousin to a second cousin. These breeding produce some of the most beautiful offspring. Inbreeding comes right after line breeding in quality, it is the mating of two close relatives such as a son to a mother or a father to a daughter. Many people believe that this will cause deformities in puppies, and do not inbreed. Inbreeding though is very good for a line. A strictly inbred line produces great working and show dogs. It should be done though, carefully and an outcross should be done every few generations, in order to keep the health of the breed in check. The least recommended form of breeding is sadly the one most commonly used…out crossing. Out crossing is when you breed two dogs that are not related to each other at all. Many lines become inferior due to out crossing. It is good, though, to refresh a line by infrequently out crossing in it, but the stud or dame that will perform the out cross must be chosen with great discretion as not to ruin the line.

Breeding consist of much more than merely putting two dogs together and observing as the puppies develop and mature; it consists of a great deal more. First of all a dame must be chosen. The dame usually has more of an influence on the puppies than the stud dog, though some people have believed it to be the opposite. The dame should have friendly, reliable parents, should display the traits of a show dog and/or working dog, and, depending on the breed, should be willing to be around puppies. She must be of loving temperament, because even though some breeds such as the Karlien Bear Dog, have natural aggressive tendencies, it is best for these tendencies to be eliminated from the breed. She should be, if possible, a different color from the stud, but still have the right coloration for her breed by the standard. In some cases, only certain colors in a breed should be bred to another color, such as in the American Pit Bull Terrier, where a blue should be bred to a dog of another color, while all of the remaining colors should be bred together, for if a blue be bred to a blue, it could cause birth defects such as hair loss, blindness, and deafness in the breed. Another example is, a breeder of Samoyeds should not breed a dog of a different color, since it would be impossible for the dame to be a different color from the stud, because by the standard all Samoyeds have to be pure white. In another case, a breeder of Great Danes, should breed within the same coloration of the breed. In this case a harlequin Dane should be bred to another harlequin or a mantle, as they are both of the black and white coloration, while a fawn should only be bred to another fawn or a brindle. The dame should also display the right temperament according to the standard, which should be friendly and easy going, but depending on the breed, reserved with strangers. One would expect to see a Doberman Pincher friendly with family and friends, but reserved with strangers, but one wouldn’t expect to see these traits in a Golden Retriever, who should be friendly with family, friends, and strangers.

The next step is choosing the stud, or sire, dog. This is not a matter that should be taken lightly. The Stud Dog should have, overall, a good temperament and excellent confirmation. The Sire preferably should have been shown, and if at all possible won awards. It is a requirement that the stud be registered, just as the dame, and display the right coat type and colors by the standard. If the stud is not registered, there is not proof at all that he is pure bred, and this could decrease the quality of the puppies. BOTH the dame and the sire must be registered, unless it is a designer breed of no registry. The puppies also would not be able to be registered if the sire or the dame do not have registrations in any of the kennel clubs . Also the stud, like the dame, should have been health tested and no disease within the particular breed should be found. Hip, elbow, and eye tests being the most important, especially in larger breeds. The sire and dame must at least pass these test as fair, preferably better. If a defect, such as hip or elbow dysplasia, is found, then the sire should not be bred to the dame.

Another aspect to be considered is the parentage of the dame and the sire, as well as the littermates of both the parents of the breeding dogs and those of the dame and sire. If it is possible find out if the siblings of the sire and dame, and even more importantly the parents, passed their health tests. Dr. Caroline Coile, PH.D. mentions that the parentage and littermates of a dog can affect the breed. Aggressive sires or dames and littermates can influence aggressive tendencies in a breed. Aggressiveness and dominance are much stronger genetically, than reliability and friendliness, and will pass on to the puppies more often than sweet and loyal temperaments. Also, sickness and deformities of the parents of the stud or dame as well as the littermates can pass onto the puppies, even if the parents do not have them themselves. It is the breeder’s duty not to let this happen.

Another question that many breeder-wanna-be’s often disregard is stated well by Joanna Kosloff, a breeder and the author of the book Newfoundlands: “The question isn’t when you should breed, but should you breed at all?” She continues to explain that breeding isn’t for everyone, but especially those in it for the money. Another thing is, that, the dame and the sire must be good working dogs and/or good show dogs. As said clearly by Dr. Peter Larkin and Mike Stockman, the joint authors of one of The Complete Dog Book’s: “The reason for limiting to these two groups of animals,” the female dog and the stud being good working dogs and/or good show dogs, “is that there is much less likelihood of your being left with puppies on your hands, or worse, running the risk of sending then to unsuitable homes. No reputable breeders would ever do this.” Breeding is also, as stated by Carolyn Fry, a breeder of Italian Spinones: “Not for the casual amateur and certainly not for the faint-hearted, or for those who lack commitment.”

Bo Bennington also gives another good point: “In spite of lofty goals and a high degree of idealism, the breeder must be able to function on the most basic, down-and-dirty practical level. Breeding is not for the squeamish.” He goes on to say all the details that come with the delightful, yet challenging job of breeding. Breeding is delightful to all who participate in it, yet at times can be sad because of the puppies leaving, at other times, though, it comes as a relief. Responsible people who are willing to take the time to research breeding and stay as often as possible with the puppies, often make good breeders. If more good breeders come into “existence”, and let others know about the existence of good breeders, the puppy mills and backyard breeders, which all true dog lovers hope to shut down, will be put out of business. Until then, one should study and learn more about the particular breed of their interest, which they choose to bring about.




Christi T

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Wow! Very good. Cant wait till your finished. Keep me updated

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