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| Very well stated, taneyCO! Everyone should re-read your post again. Until it sinks in....This is war, folks. The "US" in this war is every dog/animal owner and breeder(no matter what "label") versus "THEM", meaning the AR groups: peta, the H$u$(the Humane Society of the United States), and the rest of their ilk. Unless you want your RIGHTS taken away as dog owners and breeders, take a stand NOW and stand united. We outnumber the ARs by many thousands. While they may have disgustingly deep pockets and celebrities, we still live in a democracy. And with that democracy comes the power to VOTE those that pass draconian laws against dog owners and breeders OUT OF OFFICE. What else can we do? STOP DONATING TO THE GROUPS THAT WANT TO TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS TO OWN AND BREED THE DOGS WE CHOOSE! Peta is very straightforward in their agenda: total animal liberation. The group to fear is the H$u$. While touting "animal welfare" to the public, this multi-billion dollar animal rights group spends those donations on lobbying for MSN (mandatory spay/neuter laws), BSL, and anti-breeder legislation. Wayne Pacelle (CEO and President of the H$u$), is a vegan. He minces no words and there should be no doubt about their true agenda: "We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock
produced through selective breeding ...One generation and out. We have no
problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of
human selective breeding."
- Animal People News, May 1993
Wayne Pacelle CEO of HSUS I sincerely hope that Dog Fancy and Bow Tie publications do their homework regarding the H$u$....taking money from them for advertising is no different than taking money from peta. Both groups have the same goal, just totally different approaches.
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My first response was shock and outrage. Like many people, it appeared to me that Dog Fancy was putting advertising dollars ahead of its purported mission. After I cooled down, however, I thought back to my days in publishing and realized that the ad was a Trojan Horse, seemingly innocuous and in line with the magazine's goals. I wager that no one thought to call the number listed in the ad to verify that this was what it appeared to be on the surface, and hope that I can trust that Dog Fancy will be more diligent in screening their ads in the future.
In regard to the person who suggested that all breeders band together, I agree to an extent. The issue to me is educating the public and the breeding industry taking steps to do such a good job of policing itself that groups like PETA are exposed as the ridiculous, money-grubbing industries they really are. Breed clubs shoot themselves in the foot when they represent themselves as "elite" groups that are the sacred keepers of their breeds. Instead of shutting out the common pet owner, invite them to join the breed club. Purebred breeders could give a year's free membership with every puppy they sell. To protect the mission of these breed clubs, have two levels of membership -- general (nonvoting) and executive (voting and much the same as today's breed clubs). Charge a fee for the general membership and produce quarterly magazines for general members that are geared toward answering their questions about the breed (questions that now are all too often asked and answered erroneously on the plethora of discussion groups across the Internet), and also to educate those pet owners about the issues from the side of those who are more involved in the dog world.
Furthermore, breed clubs could band together to establish a breeder's school. The tuition would be substantial and standards would be high. Students would need sponsorship of established, reputable breeders (i.e., current members of the breed clubs). Breed clubs would put out lists of reputable breeders and publicize the existence of these lists to pet owners (a lot of pet owners don't even know that breed clubs have referral committees). Publicize the standards and ethics that the breeders on this list subscribe to. After graduation from the breeders' school -- and only then -- could a breeder be considered for inclusion on this list.
In short, make the breed clubs the first place people think of when they're contemplating getting a puppy. And then offer them a channel to feel included in the dog world.
On the other hand, work to get legislation that requires accountability of ALL organizations soliciting money for animals (what DID happen to that $32 mil that HSUS raised to help animals after Hurricane Katrina?), and to make sure that there is publicity about where people's dollars are really going.
Finally, places like Dog Channel and Dog Fancy need to be more diligent in presenting the WHOLE story behind the issues. I saw on the page prior to getting here articles about the benefits of spaying and neutering. While I give the author of the article about spaying credit for being more straightforward about the possibility of incontinence, there was some language in that article that read just like an ARer. There are studies that show both the pros and cons of spaying and neutering. There's an excellent article that summarizes 55 legitimate studies and points out in a balanced manner the pros and cons of spaying and neutering -- and the conclusions AREN'T what was written on the pages of this website.
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| So operatives of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals snuck an ad in Dog Fancy, well, they did choose a magazine read by people who truly do care for the welfare of their animals. I'm still sort of stuck on the 'ethical' part of using a pseudonym to place a bogus ad to further an agenda. As for 'treatment of animals', well my observation of the stories in Dog Fancy magazine is that they are ALL ABOUT caring for and enjoying your dogs. I guess there are those who talk about caring for animals and those that really DO care for their animals and I have to say that i trust Dog Fancy way more than PETA to help me care for my beloved pets. So, thanks for the "gift bag" PETA, but, um, no thanks! I'm sorry your caustic messages keep you from openly advertising in reputable magazines, but its really not about being reputable for you, is it? And kudos to Dog Fancy for continually bringing us helpful and useful information about living with our animals.
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| Hello again, dog lovers, Late last night I wrote a thoughtful comment on PETA's blog about the organization's deceptive ad in DOG FANCY. This "ethical" organization has declined to post it. I signed my own name, and I identified myself as the editor of DOG FANCY. Does that sound ethical to you? If you feel PETA should post my comment, I ask you to please go on the blog and urge them to do so. And thanks to everyone who has e-mailed or called to support us in our efforts to help dog lovers take the very best care of their dogs. You've pumped up our passion for what we do. Thanks very much. Susan Chaney
Editor, DOG FANCY
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4myrotties (7/16/2008)
Very well stated, taneyCO! Everyone should re-read your post again. Until it sinks in....This is war, folks. The "US" in this war is every dog/animal owner and breeder(no matter what "label") versus "THEM", meaning the AR groups: peta, the H$u$(the Humane Society of the United States), and the rest of their ilk. Unless you want your RIGHTS taken away as dog owners and breeders, take a stand NOW and stand united. We outnumber the ARs by many thousands. While they may have disgustingly deep pockets and celebrities, we still live in a democracy. And with that democracy comes the power to VOTE those that pass draconian laws against dog owners and breeders OUT OF OFFICE. What else can we do? STOP DONATING TO THE GROUPS THAT WANT TO TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS TO OWN AND BREED THE DOGS WE CHOOSE! Peta is very straightforward in their agenda: total animal liberation. The group to fear is the H$u$. While touting "animal welfare" to the public, this multi-billion dollar animal rights group spends those donations on lobbying for MSN (mandatory spay/neuter laws), BSL, and anti-breeder legislation. Wayne Pacelle (CEO and President of the H$u$), is a vegan. He minces no words and there should be no doubt about their true agenda: "We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock
produced through selective breeding ...One generation and out. We have no
problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of
human selective breeding."
- Animal People News, May 1993
Wayne Pacelle CEO of HSUS I sincerely hope that Dog Fancy and Bow Tie publications do their homework regarding the H$u$....taking money from them for advertising is no different than taking money from peta. Both groups have the same goal, just totally different approaches.
Our company no longer accepts advertising from the Humane Society of the United States. Just an FYI.
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| Wait, i am still confused!!! "Just bought a brand-new purebred puppy? Welcome him or her into your home with a free gift bag! Call us today at 1-866-834-6061 to claim your bag and hear about our products" What is that statement trying to say? and i never even knew about this! im soooo confused! help? someone?!
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Here's the article from a Dog Fancy editor explaining what happened. To sum it up, Dog Fancy got scammed by PETA.Bogus Ad Placed in Dog FancyFake offer was designed to harass puppy lovers.
Internet message boards lit up on July 16, 2008, after an animal-rights organization issued a press release claiming it had placed a “crafty” ad in DOG FANCY magazine, published by the parent company of DogChannel. BowTie Inc. does not accept advertising from this animal-rights organization because of its agenda to halt all dog breeding in the U.S. The classified ad was placed by a private party on behalf of the animal-rights organization using a fake business name. “DOG FANCY does not knowingly accept advertising from PETA and does not agree with its extremist views,” the company said in a statement. “Unfortunately, the organization resorted to guerilla tactics by placing an ad in DOG FANCY under a pseudonym to deceive readers with a free gift bag offer, opting to use shock tactics to try to get its message heard. “Now in its 37th year, DOG FANCY promotes responsible dog ownership, including the responsible breeding and sale of purebred dogs, and apologizes to anyone who has been offended by this organization’s distasteful and misleading stunt.” To read a copy of the ad and comment, visit the DogChannel forum: Bogus Ad in DOG FANCY. |
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| What really bugs me is, What if someone DID adopt a shelter dog,and wanted a "Puppy-Package" Hey,after all you usually have to pay some sort of an adoption fee,and they ARE purebreds in shelters. I'm going to call the number tommrow,and see for myself. Anybody care to tell me the same message in the recording? They don't even bother to put a real person on..
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What do you mean? The topic surprised me..that is disappointing about
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