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I started going to a behaviorist last week and I just can't help feeling that her techniques are not going to work. She told me that whenever a dog comes up walk away in the opposite directions until my dog calms down. Then tell him to leave it. As soon as he does click and treat. I think this will work for his human fear but his dog aggression just seams too out of control for something as simple as clicking and treating to fix. 
I am trying to have a mixture between cesar millan techniques and her techniques. I have been realizing that I can't be a calm assertive leader when I am trying to hold Zackery, a clicker, and bag of treats. I find that when trying to GET AWAY FROM EVERYTHING makes me stressed out and then Zackery gets more aggressive. What are your opinions on this ladies techniques? I NEED help!
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I have also been wondering about this.. I have heard trainers say that when the dog looks at somebody to click and treat, but I wondered, how do you know you are not rewarding the beginning of his aggression? If you click and treat when the dog is staring at somebody, is that reinforcing his "locking on" so to speak? or is the point that the dog will only escalate to staring rather than barking/lunging because the click stops him at that point? I'm sorry I can't be of any help Zacks2Cute because I have the same questions!  Hopefully somebody else knows more on this than me 
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Zacks2cute (5/7/2008)
I started going to a behaviorist last week and I just can't help feeling that her techniques are not going to work. She told me that whenever a dog comes up walk away in the opposite directions until my dog calms down. Then tell him to leave it. As soon as he does click and treat. I think this will work for his human fear but his dog aggression just seams too out of control for something as simple as clicking and treating to fix. I am trying to have a mixture between cesar millan techniques and her techniques. I have been realizing that I can't be a calm assertive leader when I am trying to hold Zackery, a clicker, and bag of treats. I find that when trying to GET AWAY FROM EVERYTHING makes me stressed out and then Zackery gets more aggressive. What are your opinions on this ladies techniques? I NEED help! if using the clicker is causing stress to you I would leave out the clicker. you can achieve the same thing by using a word such as "yes" instead of the clicker. as for the walking away method I have seen it work. the dog learns that by being aggressive he doesnt get to go where he wants to. it is a slow process and you will need to be consistant. I am not so sure about cesar's method of training. I think it is good for dogs that are on their last chance and nothing else is working, but I do not care for his flooding techinque or his alpha rolls you can tell some of the dogs he works with are stressed to the point of shutting down. no one method works with every dog you have to figure out what is best for your dog. now I dont no anything about your dog but aussies can be slightly aggressive they were bred to herd and protect so they need lots of socialization at a young age. so his fear of people and aggression towards other dogs sounds like he either hasnt been socialized properly or he come from parents that have temperment problems. personaly the way I would work his fear isssues is to go to a park with a really yummy treat such as chicken or hot dog. at first sit somewhere their is not a lot of people or dogs start doing obedience with him especialy the watch me command. when he is comfortable at a distince slowly move closer to wher people are continue with the watch me command. at any time he starts to focus on someone or some dog give a leash correction and say watch me. when he looks at you give a treat if he doesnt respond to that then move back to the last spot where you had success with him. also do not allow anyone to touch him. if you feel he is ready to interact with someone have them stand still and make no eye contact with zack let him approach them, and smell them have the person put their hand out with a treat in it. also if they do pet him have them pet his chest not his head. this method will take time, but with fear issues their is no quick fix. I hope this helps
 
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Thanks a lot. I just get so frustrated with him sometimes  . I really need to start getting him out more. I think both things you said were right about how is aggression started. I bought him from a really crappy breeder and also I didn't socialize him enough. Dang I wish I could go back and start over
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Bring whatever issues you have with training up with your behaviourist. You are hiring her and thus she should work to adapt something that works for you. I like rainsmoms idea of using "yes" instead of a clicker if that eliminates part of the problem. I personally wouldn't be looking at books or TV shows for help as the person writing the book or on the show isn't dealing with your dog directly. You can cause a lot more harm than good if you do something that doesn't work for your dog in paticular.
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| Zack, first get a book called "Canine body language" by Brenda Aloff. This will teach you to understand your pups triggers, the warning signs PRIOR to him being in his redzone. It will also allow you to read other pups so you can tell if an oncoming pup means danger. Buy an "Easy walk" harness and use it. It helps controlling pup. My pup is 110 lb and works for him! DO NOT take him to a dog park! He cant handle it now. Instead, take him leashed to a place where he will run into some pups like a park. Begin desensitizing him by being at least 100' away from approaching dog. While he is in sit stay and not reacting, treat or praise him. Then gradually decrease distance to 90', 70' etc so eventually hes calm with a dog close by. This is the best mthod and it does take time and patience. IF he does react by lunging, barking THEN say "lets go" turn him around and walk in opposite direction until he is calm, then walk back the direction you were going in. Dont use a clicker for this. A huge aid for me was a whistle I got at a sporting goods store. I keep it around my neck and blow the whistle incase my pup goes into launch mode. I use it only in emergencies, when I am scared pup may hurt someone. The whistle stops him dead in his tracks and also stops an oncoming pup. Hope that helps. By the way, Cesars methods did not work on my pup. The made him worse.
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| For a short time, Bubba had a problem with bike riders when we would be out on the road. He learned that when I said "BE NICE", and he didn't fuss or try to grab them, he'd get a treat. Works like a charm, still.
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