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Wow, that breeder doesn't sound too good. No dog should be bred until it is at least two years old.
I think that you should try to back out of the contract. What good breeder would require someone to breed the puppy they bought anyway?
You could probably still show her though.
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Okay, I just read your last post. Good luck...

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Collie/GSD/Sheltie/Corgi/Russell_luvr (7/16/2008) Wow, that breeder doesn't sound too good. No dog should be bred until it is at least two years old. I think that you should try to back out of the contract. What good breeder would require someone to breed the puppy they bought anyway? You could probably still show her though.
P.S. Okay, I just read your last post. Good luck...I have cut the strings with the breeder other than the breeding that is going to take place. once that is done I have no legal or moral obligations to her. the reason I was required to breed her is I purchased her as show quality, and she is the last granddaughter she has of her champion male that went sterile. I wish I could show belle I have been complemented a lot on her looks by other breeders, but during her last heat cycle her one ear went up and no amount of glueing would get it to tip down again and that is a big fault in the show ring. so I will have to settle with obedience and agility if I can get her to go through the chute! I would love to try herding with her, but between cost of lessons, time, and the fact their isnt a nearby place that teaches herding it probably wont happen.
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| First of all, you can ALWAYS improve on a female's faults. You just have to do your homework and do a lot of research first to find the right male. Secondly, IMO no dog, male or female, should be bred until FULL proper health testing is complete after the age of two years. Heart and eye testing being done yearly. Third, after this testing is done and she is fully mature then and only then talk to her breeder about results of both. Being a breeder myself, if this was the only female in the litter and was the only chance to keep that line going.... and I trusted your word as the buyer on a breeding agreement. Then you went behind my back and spayed the female dog.I personally would take you to court. So talk to your breeder first. Be an adult, you were an adult entering into this purchase agreement. Do full testing and evaluation, talk to the breeder and perhaps you could come to the same conclusion...to breed her or not. BUT if you gave your word, verbal or not, how good is it?
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| You do know that you can do preliminary testing on dogs at the age ten months to a year? You can't get them certified until two years of age, but doing preliminaries can tell you if your dog is clear or not... Most breeders do the preliminaries when they want to breed before two years of age. Don't give up on your dog yet... .confirmation wise. Shelties sometimes take up to two years and sometimes longer before they are considered mature. I would not worry about her head angultaion just yet. Some don't develop nice stops until they are fully mature. What are her pedigree lines? Different lines develop differently. I'd keep that ear glued down like forever. And pray, pray, pray! Have you tried to put ear weight into her ears? Sometimes show people get by with doing that to take them into the ring. Cherry Knoll has some good ear weight for sale. OK, so it's nasty, but I bet if you asked every sheltie handler in the world they will tell you they've done it at least once. A stand up ear is not a disqualification! It is just major points against you. But, you can help improve it by using weights. And, don't worry about all the powder and fix ups show people use. When you put on your make-up to go out in the morning???? It is the same thing... it makes the dog look better. And, flat dying white spots.... where white spots aren't suppose to be? That is illegal! If they were found out they would be disqualified! I've put white chalk on my dogs white spots.... just to make them stand out better, plus it makes the hair look puffier! Good luck girl!
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| so far I have had her thyroid tested its normal! she is vwd cleared by parents. I had her hips x-rayed about 6 months ago and the vet said they look nice and tight and no deformities to the ball. I have not had her eyes cerf'd yet my vet doesnt do that testing, but he did say they look good so she should have no problems passing that test. she is looking better as she matures (she is 19 mounths right now) but the breeders I have talked to said our main problem is her color! it creates illusions and makes her 1 leg look crooked and her planes not parallel. as for her ears I have been using pine tar which is a softener and a weight. the only problem is that stuff STINKS!!! Belle is starting to hate her ears touched. for now we are going to concentrate on obedience and maybe agility hopefully later on we can do some UKC shows. oh her pedigree is mostly kismet linebred with some cinder glo. her grandpa is ch. kismets ghengis kahn I love him but unfortunatly he is sterile I would post her pedigree but adobe isnt cooperating with me I will have to have my husband try and fix it! september 13th will be 6 months from her last heat cycle dont know if she will actually go in season at that time but I will be breeding her to a gorgeous sable male with natural ears!!!! I dont have pics of belles mom but I do have one of her dad and grandpa her dad blaze
and grandpa conner (ch. gengis kahn)
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Unless, I am absolutely stupid.... which I wouldn't doubt LOL ... I've never heard of a color being an option for not showing. Unless, she is the weirdest colored sheltie in the world and she doesn't look like it from the pictures I've seen. To me she looks to be a very lovely colored up bi-black. When using ear weights in a show make sure you use a lead based pack, or use the cherry knoll stuff if you don't like to use lead. Because you have to put it on lightly, you don't want it to be obvious that her ears are weighed. Just like makeup all the stuff you use to highlight a dogs good points you want it all look very natural. Unless her eyes are obviously to round.... I don't see why she couldn't make an AKC show dog. Not from the shots you have on your post. Most times after having the first litter they grow a nicer fuller coat. After they go naked for a couple of months...  If you don't like all the grooming involved in AKC you can do UKC, most shelties, unless they are really bad can finish in the UKC shows, but I have heard lately there is getting to be stiffer competion in UKC. From the pictures of the her sire and grand-sire, I have to admit I do like grand-sire best. Her sire doesn't have a bad back and shoulders, but his head... maybe it is just the way the picture was taken but he looks very pointy in the snout which suggest an overbite. You can PM me anytime! 
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yes her sires nose is a little too pointy for my liking. its not as bad as the picture makes it look. luckily belle didnt get that from him. their is nothing really wrong with her coloring its just most judges prefer the bi blacks to not have a blaze. they say her markings make her look to border collie- ish and the way the blaze goes to the side on the top of her head makes it look like she has a bump on her head her eyes are a bit too round for my liking but i have seen worse, and they actualy look nice when she is out in the sun, but inside they look more rounded. I dont know if that makes sence to you but.... another problem I am having with her coat is the rusty highlights from being out in the sun. I am not sure what to do about them except for black chalk. how do people that show prevent the black coats from bleaching?? also at this time before we can even think about showing I have to get her over her the problem of her not wanting to be touched by strangers! she is not really fearfull she just will back away and bark. she wants to make her mind up first if she likes the person! if she feels they are ok then she will let them touch her, but i know a judge doesnt have the time to wait and see if she is going to like him
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