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Maruul — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:31:08 GMT

We tried one to make Polly stop barking so much, but she just ran the battery dead. -_-;; She's stopped barking as much now that she's gotten older.

My dad's family got one for their dog. She learned fast. And she never seemed to associate it with the family, cause when she barked and it shocked her, she'd jump into someone's lap. Now they just say "no bark" and she shuts up. No more collar.

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lover of dogs — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:31:27 GMT

i dont believe in shock collars at all and its inhumane and cruel to the dog.there are better way to train a dog than a shock collar.

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dogsRme — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:41:33 GMT

I find that shock collars are "taking easy way out" when it comes to training. They don't want to take the time or have the patience to train a dog themselves. I find that "shock collars" are cruel and serve no purpose unless you trying to make a dog mean. There are so many other "methods" of training that there has to be an easier way and less cruel way then using a shock collar. I would personally, love to see them be taken off of the market. I am sure that 90% of the people, who do buy them, don't even use them for training but for abuse. It is really sad story to hear about that and I will NOT support any training methods that involve using a shock collar.

As for abuse, I am against it too. If you are going to abuse the animal, why make it suffer? Might as well just shoot it, that is the safest place for it when being abused. If they have nothing better to do than to abuse an animal, then they should have to be abused to see what it feels like.

Last but not least, there are times you have to show your dog that he was in the wrong and he has to learn and sometimes you have to resort to a little "hit" or smack on the nose/bottom. As long as it isn't hard and as long as it doesn’t hurt the dog then you are fine. People find that abusive, but I don't. You don't hit the dog hard but yet you give it enough that they understand that is a "no, no." Some people feel like it is wrong because the dog will become "hand shy." Your dog shouldn't become that way if you do it the right way. Shock collars are giving the dog the idea that collars are bad and they will get a shock from it. What is worse a little slap or a bolt of electricity?

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xobabypuppy94xo — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:08:27 GMT

I dont like hearing about dog abuse! I think its WRONG AND CRUEL!

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SchnauzerFan — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:06:31 GMT

I agree with you that shock collars are just bad, its just taking the easy way out of training.

And love your suggestion on the startling training, its very effecient to get the dogs attention, however a quick reprimand is all thats needed to get the point across. Maybe even pointing at the garbage can (in this case) and say "No, Don't do that" in a firm voice. Dogs are one of the few animals that will follow your gaze or to where your finger is pointing, a dog trainer once told me that. Granted not 100% of the time but its more effecient and less traumatizing than a kick or whatever.

As for prong collar, I'll disagree with you on that. Unless its used as a form of punishment, I think its a great tool to use to curb pulling behaviors, as long as its used correctly.[/quote]

I disagree about shock collars. When used correctly, I have found them to be an effective training tool. One of our dogs is deaf and we use a shock collar to either get his attention when outside or let him know that a behavior is not wanted. We have never needed to go to the level 10 correction and after 2 or 3 corrections to a behavior that we didn't want, it stopped. It is especially helpful when he is not close enough to be able to correct immediately. We have also used a shock collar to aid in training our mini schnauzer. Again, not to punish him but to aid us when training. The purpose is to refocus the dog's attention. Shock collars are designed to shut off automatically after 8 seconds and with 8 to 10 levels of correction available, it is easy to correct without harm. It is really no different than a whack in the butt. For us it has helped when training. It may not work for everyone, and not everyone may be comfortable using it, and I see how it could be viewed as an easy way out of training. However we have found it to be an effective tool, albeit not the only tool we use because just using a shock collar will not help the dog recognize us as the pack leader.

As far as animal abuse, it absolutely breaks my heart what humans can do to animals. I just cannot fathom how cruel some people can be.

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IlovmydogMax — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:29:22 GMT

Ralphie (7/8/2008)

I think people who abuse their animals should be treated the same way as those who abuse their kids. But, in some situations isn't enough either... totally wrong. I give you kudos for doing what you do and rescuing them.

I agree, to me abusing an animal is no different then a human.

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caninejan — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:15:50 GMT

My son's dog, Mary, was stolen from a litter when she was about 3 weeks old. She learned in the week that the addict had her that human hands were for hurting. When my son dropped her off to me, she was 5 weeks old and absolutely vicious!!!! Imagine, 5 weeks. Anyway, thoughout the years, she's come along and she's a very friendly dog now. It took ALOT of work. I think anyone who abuses animals should be in jail!!!

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runettewiewel — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 06:57:34 GMT

I agree with the occasionally smack. But I try positive enforcement rather than bringing attention to the bad habits. People who are out of control should have more than just punishement. They also need rehabilitation themselves for why they are taking their anger out on animals, and further education on how to properly discipline a dog. It's one thing to punish someone but you do have to show them the right way afterward. Kinda like working with a child. After all, their acting like children.

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SpencerIsAQT — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:10:22 GMT

rainsmom (7/10/2008)

[quote]as for blowing in the dogs face... that is a game we play with our dogs we blow at them they runa lap and come back for more, or if they are being lazy we get lickedin the nose instead of them running

Haha Spencer and I do the same thing He gets all excited and starts butt-tucking around the room

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Zacks2cute — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:27:48 GMT

I have not read this whole thread but in the beginning I saw some people saying that smacking a dog is the same as clicker training. Just in case someone is looking into clicker training I want to make it very clear that clicker training is the COMPLETE opposite of smacking a dog. While smacking a dog can be very affective in some cases in others such as aggression it is horrible!!!!! That is when clicker training really helps. Clicker training is using a sound such as snapping your fingers or simply saying "yes" when your dog does something right. Then you reward with a treat. The clicker is a piece of metal that makes a loud clicking noise when you press it. Now i would probably compare a prong or shock collar with smacking a dog but deffinantly NOT the positive reenforcement method of the clicker. Just wanted to state my opinion

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rainsmom — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:40:05 GMT

Junior_and_Me (7/10/2008)

Farm Girl (7/9/2008)

The only thing about blowing in a dogs face that I dont like is that unless you are holding the dog down it could still bite you if it got irritated enough. I think that a well timed swat the rump is much kinder and more humane than shock collars or the prong collars. I like to use sound aversion if the dog responds to it. Example: A dog is geting into the garbage can so the minute it gets close to the garbage can you make a loud noise like filling up an aluminum can with nails and shake it, or an air horn, or slamming a book on the table. It seems to work most of the time but sometimes I still need to swat to get the point across if the dog stops responding to the noise.

I agree with you that shock collars are just bad, its just taking the easy way out of training.

As for prong collar, I'll disagree with you on that. Unless its used as a form of punishment, I think its a great tool to use to curb pulling behaviors, as long as its used correctly.

I have to disagree with you about the the shock collar. it is a great tool to use if you need to make a correction from far away. for example if you have a dog that chases cars, bikes, people whatever, and they are off leash by the time you catch up with the dog it will not know what it is being corrected for, and we all know you should never call a dog to you and then correct right!? so an e-collar is the perfect tool in that case. granted the e-collar should not be used if you dont know what you are doing, but then again neither should any training equipment be used without learning the proper way to use it. In my oppinion an e-collar is a more humane way to train than hitting, but i have shelties they are sensitive dogs they dont do well with any harsh treatment including a correction with a training collar. if you give a leash correction they will yelp and either be slow to respond the next time or they will shut down completley and not move. they work better with positive training, with lots of praise and the occasional treat.

there are many methods of training and each dog is different. so what works with one dog might not work with another. If you have say a lab you probably could get away with a thump and the dog would not care at all, but if you have a sensitive breed like a sheltie you could ruin that trust forever.

as for blowing in the dogs face... that is a game we play with our dogs we blow at them they run a lap and come back for more, or if they are being lazy we get licked in the nose instead of them running

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Junior_and_Me — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:49:17 GMT

Farm Girl (7/9/2008)

I agree with you that shock collars are just bad, its just taking the easy way out of training.

As for prong collar, I'll disagree with you on that. Unless its used as a form of punishment, I think its a great tool to use to curb pulling behaviors, as long as its used correctly.

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Farm Girl — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:53:59 GMT

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muttlover17 — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:49:34 GMT

P.S the only reason i don't quote is cuz it doesn't turn blue.

You think? It's not like he's bad all the time. I probably do that once in 2 weeks.He knows the rules and is smart to know when he deserves something.

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dogsRme — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:40:46 GMT

muttlover17 (7/9/2008)

It's not like i kick him hard.I hit him with the side of my foot and if i'm wearing shoes i do it even softer.It's not like i do it every day.It's when hes about to attck another dog.I can't get him to focuz when he's like that, he's a really stubborn dog.i don't want him to be cower whever i raise my hand like my cousins.If it's for a normal bad thing i pull on the leash or i start blowing in his face.

I don't like the blowing of the face either. I find that mean. One of these days your dog will bite you for that.

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muttlover17 — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:38:07 GMT

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annielovesmama — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:51:49 GMT

!CoLoR_DoG! (7/9/2008)

Abusing a dog IS wrong! But giving a dog a gentle nudge in the right direction isnt wrong to do. Example: scolding and hitting on the nose ect. But thats just my opnion.

There thats what missmolly-lover said I dont know how to get a blue box thingy. So I just copied and pasted I kind of agree with this but I still think you should never ever hit a dog unless you really need too!

Well first off there will be sevreal red boxes above the persons post like this:

Press the "Quote" button. than u just write like any old post.. hope it helped

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!CoLoR_DoG! — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:17:45 GMT

Abusing a dog IS wrong! But giving a dog a gentle nudge in the right direction isnt wrong to do. Example: scolding and hitting on the nose ect. But thats just my opnion.

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Farm Girl — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:17:07 GMT

I think that a light tap on the rump is fine if the dog has done something really bad. Look at what a group of dogs will do if one of them does something unacceptable, it gets bitten. I hate to slightly tap a dog but sometimes it needs to be done with some dogs.

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MissMolly-Lover — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:10:28 GMT

Abusing a dog IS wrong! But giving a dog a gentle nudge in the right direction isnt wrong to do. Example: scolding and hitting on the nose ect. But thats just my opnion.

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baby dachsies — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:02:18 GMT

I do NOT think you should EVER hit, kick, or slap an animal for any reason!! I work with a vet & do canine medical massage & teach pet first aid for the Am. Red Cross, so I have had alot of experience with many types of dogs. Dogs can be hurt easily by a human hitting them or kicking them. Some dogs are prone to certain injuries & this is NOT recommended as a training behavior. Your hands should be used for LOVE not slapping. I would never want my dogs to shudder, cower, or hide if I raised my hand over them. Animals are very intelligent creatures & with love, support, & some understanding of THEIR language we can figure out what & why they do the things that they do. I work with animals to help people better understand them & to help them help their pets if in need.

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SpencerIsAQT — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:34:32 GMT

dogsRme (7/8/2008)

Yeah, actually I was saying that any dog is prone to being afraid of something if not done properly. Thanks for clearing that up for me, I had a long day at work and I am not at my best right now.

Oh ok, I see what you were saying now. I was confused about what you meant, thanks for clearing that up for me too. =)

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dogsRme — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:31:00 GMT

SpencerIsAQT (7/8/2008)

dogsRme (7/8/2008)

SpencerIsAQT (7/8/2008)

dogsRme (7/8/2008)

[quote]Spraying a dog with water and clicker training is the same thing as hitting a dog.

I am not misunderstanding the meaning of it. I am saying that all of the methods are the same as using the hand. You can very well reward the dog after giving it a smack for doing something for instance drinking out of the toilet. Now I know Starry misunderstands it, from things she has said about it. Anyway, not to get off topic, I was just stating my opinion on all the methods no matter which one you choose to use all have the same impact on dogs and they all can make the dog shy awayfromsomething.

I know exactly what "clicker training" is and I helped my sister use it for her dog. I am just trying to get my point across that no matter which method you choose to you use, the dog will learn each way and each way contains praise after the dog learns. All methods can be fast and slow to learn depending on the dog.

I don't know what you are referring to when you stated that I do not understand the concept of "clicker training."

Ok then, sorry, I didn't think you knew what it was from the statement of the dog being afraid of the collar from clicker training.. I don't know how you could make a dog scared of a collar doing clicker training. And, I was just saying, imo clicker training is completely different than water spraying or slapping a dog since those are negative where as clicker training is used to reinforce a good behavior, not to correct a wrong behavior so much. Mostly I was just clearing it up so people reading this thread who didn't understand clicker training wouldn't be confused.

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SpencerIsAQT — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:21:24 GMT

dogsRme (7/8/2008)

[quote]SpencerIsAQT (7/8/2008)

[quote]dogsRme (7/8/2008)

[quote]Spraying a dog with water and clicker training is the same thing as hitting a dog.

I just want to clear something up =) I think you and Starry are confused or using a different definition of Clicker training than what it is. Clicker training is about as positive of training as you can possibly get.. there is nothing negative about it. It involves a clicker and a reward, usually treats. The clicker is a small hand held device that has a piece of metal that when you push it, it makes a clicking sound. It does absolutely nothing to the dog, it is no different than snapping your fingers except the sound is exactly the same every time so the dog understands it better. It is used to "mark" a behavior. So, to teach a dog to sit for example: First you "load" the clicker, by "click" and treat. "click" and treat. Until the dog understands a click means a treat is coming. Then, you either lure the dog with a treat into a sit or wait for the dog to sit on its own, then you "click" and treat. The dog soon realizes that the sit gives them a click and a treat. So you are telling them exactly the behavior that they are doing that is giving them a treat. I trained Spencer sit, down, wait, come, and his name within weeks using Clicker training when he was a puppy. He loved it and it was a great bonding experience. Just wanted to say that so people don't think clicker training is the same as hitting a dog or whatever, it's totally different! I'm not sure what you guys are referring to as "clicker training." [/quote]

I am not misunderstanding the meaning of it. I am saying that all of the methods are the same as using the hand. You can very well reward the dog after giving it a smack for doing something for instance drinking out of the toilet. Now I know Starry misunderstands it, from things she has said about it. Anyway, not to get off topic, I was just stating my opinion on all the methods no matter which one you choose to use all have the same impact on dogs and they all can make the dog shy awayfromsomething.

I know exactly what "clicker training" is and I helped my sister use it for her dog. I am just trying to get my point across that no matter which method you choose to you use, the dog will learn each way and each way contains praise after the dog learns. All methods can be fast and slow to learn depending on the dog.

I don't know what you are referring to when you stated that I do not understand the concept of "clicker training."[/quote]

Ok then, sorry, I didn't think you knew what it was from the statement of the dog being afraid of the collar from clicker training.. I don't know how you could make a dog scared of a collar doing clicker training. And, I was just saying, imo clicker training is completely different than water spraying or slapping a dog since those are negative where as clicker training is used to reinforce a good behavior, not to correct a wrong behavior so much. Mostly I was just clearing it up so people reading this thread who didn't understand clicker training wouldn't be confused.

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dogsRme — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:11:30 GMT

SpencerIsAQT (7/8/2008)

dogsRme (7/8/2008)

[quote]Spraying a dog with water and clicker training is the same thing as hitting a dog.

I know exactly what "clicker training" is and I helped my sister use it for her dog. I am just trying to get my point across that no matter which method you choose to you use, the dog will learn each way and each way contains praise after the dog learns. All methods can be fast and slow to learn depending on the dog.

I don't know what you are referring to when you stated that I do not understand the concept of "clicker training."

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SpencerIsAQT — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:02:50 GMT

dogsRme (7/8/2008)

[quote]Spraying a dog with water and clicker training is the same thing as hitting a dog.

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dogsRme — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:45:26 GMT

Junior_and_Me (7/8/2008)

Nah, Rainsmom, don't consider yourself an odd ball. I'm with you all the way. Any form of physical punishment is just wrong. No one should hit their dog if they are doing something wrong, the only thing that you get is a dog that fears you, not a dog that knows what its doing wrong.

Always, in positive reinforcement, you want to teach your dog to want to do something for you, or not want to do something.

Some forms of corrections, like Rainsmom pointed out, are using a water bottle to discourage some behavior. Also for cases such as barking making rattles to startle the dog could be really effective.

There has been one case in which I've heard that its ok to physically punish a dog, and its according to the AKC dog care book. They say that the only time that you should do that is when a your dog shows an intent on wanting to bite someone.

Sometimes if your dog does something that is to challenge your authority, you can just flip him on his back, and tell him in a firm voice that you don't like that, or w/e.

However, I really don't think highly of people that hit any dogs. I just think its not right.

Then by all means, don't think highly of me. I see no harm in giving a dog a slap. If its going to teach him right from wrong. Spraying a dog with water and clicker training is the same thing as hitting a dog. I have seen people who said since they did clicker training their dog will fight them to wear a collar. Or with water being sprayed at them, they hate baths and will fight it. Basically, either way the dog will be scared of something, hand, foot, water, collar. Main reason is that with each possibility the dog learns right from wrong.

Dogs are like children. Most kids will do the opposite of what their parents tell them not to do. They want to see if that will really happen or just do it and think they won't get caught. Without some sort of consequence for the action the person will not be afraid to try it and can get hurt or sick. Same goes for dogs, if they know that if they don't come when you call them, they will get some sort of punishment. Dogs don't have the minds like humans and they cannot understand every word that we tell them therefore they need to learn doing a certain thing will get them a hand, pinch, and water or whatever.

So whatever method you use it will have the same outcome, so you can think lower of me because the way I handle my dog's habits is the hand but should all good dog experts suppose to respect and understand all methods of training?

As for HARD beating and kicking, I am against. That is just abuse because it is hurting the dog.

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outcast13 — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:54:32 GMT

The only physical Punishment I use i sometimes I tap my dog lightly with my foot or hand. ALso Sometimes I lightly jerk on his leash when he is disbehaving on a walk.

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Junior_and_Me — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:56:18 GMT

starry*boy (7/8/2008)

Junior_and_Me (7/8/2008)

Always, in positive reinforcement, you want to teach your dog to want to do something for you, or not want to do something.

Sometimes if your dog does something that is to challenge your authority, you can just flip him on his back, and tell him in a firm voice that you don't like that, or w/e.

However, I really don't think highly of people that hit any dogs. I just think its not right.

I tried spraying water and nothing worked with star but hitting on the nose when entering trash can and he isn't hand shy. It all depends on the greatness of the hit.

Well it depends on the dog too, I just don't like it.

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starry*boy — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:51:46 GMT

Junior_and_Me (7/8/2008)

Always, in positive reinforcement, you want to teach your dog to want to do something for you, or not want to do something.

Sometimes if your dog does something that is to challenge your authority, you can just flip him on his back, and tell him in a firm voice that you don't like that, or w/e.

However, I really don't think highly of people that hit any dogs. I just think its not right.

I tried spraying water and nothing worked with star but hitting on the nose when entering trash can and he isn't hand shy. It all depends on the greatness of the hit.

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Junior_and_Me — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:48:08 GMT

Always, in positive reinforcement, you want to teach your dog to want to do something for you, or not want to do something.

Sometimes if your dog does something that is to challenge your authority, you can just flip him on his back, and tell him in a firm voice that you don't like that, or w/e.

However, I really don't think highly of people that hit any dogs. I just think its not right.

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rainsmom — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:07:25 GMT

I guess I am the oddball here, but I dont believe you should hit, kick, smack, tap whatever to your dog. all that does is teach them to be hand/foot shy, but then again I have been told I am mean for using a water bottle as a means of correction.

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dogsRme — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:58:21 GMT

muttlover17 (7/7/2008)

I kick but softly.

See, kicking is something that I would consider..."mean" to put it in a nice way. Kicking is a lot worse than hitting with your hand. Kicking can turn into other issues down the road when using your hand won't. When you kick a dog it’s kicking the side of their hips while using your hand you can smack on their snout or their rear end which to me is more appropriate. I am late for work already and I don't have time to get into detail but maybe when I get back on afterwards, maybe Jr_and_me will have it explained, he seems to know a lot.

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muttlover17 — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:51:35 GMT

I'm not excactly mad, i feel sorry for them.You can tell they want a pet but they just don't have the responsibility to take care of them.

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annielovesmama — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:59:47 GMT

I CANT STAND PEOPLE LIKE THAT! they make me SOOO mad!!

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Farm Girl — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:05:46 GMT

I think it is awful when animals are abused. My horse was abused and neglected. I haven ever had a dog that had been abused though but my cousin does. She is the sweetest little dog but she is scared of people petting her head even now years after they got her.

I also think that the punishment should be more for abusing animals as a lot of bad people start by abusing animals and then move on to hurting people.

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Ralphie — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:33:56 GMT

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muttlover17 — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:52:44 GMT

I kick but softly.

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Spaniel14 — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:42:07 GMT

I agree my dog just gets a wack!!! When he needs it of course!!

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starry*boy — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:11:30 GMT

dogsRme (7/6/2008)

Many people cannot understand the difference between correction punishing and being abusive. Many people have different methods of training their dog and some people use smacking on the behind and the snout as a way of correcting a dog from doing it again. I must admit that I myself have used the smack method when Sandy would try to drink out of the toilet. She learned quickly and basically the smack method is no different then clickers training expect you’re saving your money by using your hand. I didn't smack hard but I didn’t do it soft that she thought I was playing. I gave her a medium sized smack.

Now people will find that abusive when that is not. That is correcting behavior. Abusing a dog is not taking care of hit, neglecting it and not giving the dog water, kicking it, hitting it for no reason, starving it and the list goes on. I am very much against the abusive behavior and I feel sorry for all the dogs that are scarred for life from their abusive owners.

Couldn't agree more!! I do give my dog a wack when he goes into the garbage can. I don't do it extremly hard but enough that he gets the idea and people find that cruel. I don't see how its differnt than choke collars or clicker training. Personally I would rather get smacked then have a little bolt of elecricty come through my body or sharp metal collar pulling at my neck.