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RE: "Thinking" of getting grandfather a dog.

dc-moderator — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:00:29 GMT

Closed topic. The original poster probably has some good suggestions to work off of -- without this argument escalating.

RE: "Thinking" of getting grandfather a dog.

dogsRme — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:54:21 GMT

dobermom (7/27/2008)

dogsRme (7/24/2008)

caninejan (7/24/2008)

Why don't you just take your grandfather for a ride to the local shelter or to an all breed rescue and let him choose one for himself ????

First of all this is a Christmas gift and if my grandfather chooses he will not allow us to pay for it. You know how older people are. Second of all, we don't want a shelter mutt. We want a rescue of a purebred, older dog that is already trained that will need as little training as possible by a professional.

right up here.....we don't want a shelter mutt...see?
that was not you?
then who ?
Who is * twisting * who's words?

Most shelter dogs are mutts. That is the majority. It was not suppose to sound mean until you twisted it into that.

canecorso_breeder (7/29/2008)

Dude you are overdoing it a little with the rude comments. Just try a rescued Golden Retriever, you were the one asking for suggestions, not to mull people over with their suggestions. Something medium and farmer life suited and will keep away geese with herding instincts, and is gentle for seniors is a Pembroke Welsh Corgi; smart, not a very big dog, calm and herding pursuit.

I don't think, I am being rude and shooting down ideas. Golden’s are nice and gentle but I am afraid they are too big for what my family wants for my grandfather. I did take suggestions from people about a spaniel and a Shetland. If you want to see me rude, here is a little comment for you, maybe you should try reading the whole post before you go assuming and running your mouth off where it don't belong.

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canecorso_breeder — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:49:36 GMT

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dobermom — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:53:50 GMT

[quote]dogsRme (7/24/2008)

[quote]caninejan (7/24/2008)

Why don't you just take your grandfather for a ride to the local shelter or to an all breed rescue and let him choose one for himself ????

[/quote]

First of all this is a Christmas gift and if my grandfather chooses he will not allow us to pay for it. You know how older people are. Second of all, we don't want a shelter mutt. We want a rescue of a purebred, older dog that is already trained that will need as little training as possible by a professional.[/quote]

right up here.....we don't want a shelter mutt...see?
that was not you?
then who ?
Who is * twisting * who's words?

RE: "Thinking" of getting grandfather a dog.

dobermom — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:52:26 GMT

[quote]dogsRme (7/25/2008)

[quote]dobermom (7/25/2008)

I recent the remark * shelter mutt*.

Like its something * bad, undesirable*.

[/quote]

I never "said" that. I just said its not for my grandfather. We are talking about a man who is going into his 90's. He needs a purebred that we know the traits. Please do not "twist" my words around into something mean that I didn't even mean. [/quote]

yes you did...Second of all, we don't want a shelter mutt....right here, the post before that.
those are your words.

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dobermom — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:49:49 GMT

aeh...do you know the needs of a german shorthair pointer?
Not for a senior .
This is a determent hunting breed....please.

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walsh — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:43:59 GMT

well i would suggest a German Storthaired pointer cause they hunt really well China my great dane agrees with me XOX good luck....... " src="http://www.smileytown.com/app_smiley/content/exct0002.gif" border=0>

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rainsmom — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 05:39:28 GMT

I would be carefull getting a cocker spanial. all the cockers I have known were very snippy and nuroutic. there is one in my sons 4-h club and that little dog has attacked every dog in our club at one point or another, including my doberman. the dog will be fine one minute then without warning she will lunge at a dog and attack. the other cockers I have known would snap at people espiecially kids.

RE: "Thinking" of getting grandfather a dog.

MissMolly-Lover — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:59:12 GMT

Maybe you should ask your grandpa if he likes bigger or smaller dogs and that might be able to cut the choices down a little bit for ya.

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dogsRme — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:51:44 GMT

dobermom (7/25/2008)

I recent the remark * shelter mutt*.

Like its something * bad, undesirable*.

I never "said" that. I just said its not for my grandfather. We are talking about a man who is going into his 90's. He needs a purebred that we know the traits. Please do not "twist" my words around into something mean that I didn't even mean.

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dobermom — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:42:30 GMT

I recent the remark * shelter mutt*.

Like its something * bad, undesirable*.

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dogsRme — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:04:17 GMT

caninejan (7/25/2008)

All shelter dogs are not mutts. There are perfectly good purebred dogs that need good homes that are currently in shelters and breed rescues. Many are young adults who are already housebroken and have at least the basic training behind them. So what, if your grandfather chose a dog and paid for it, then you all could supply him with the food, crate, toys, etc. for the new dog as your gift. This way, he really wants that particular dog so it won't end up in a shelter!

First of all, my grandfather would NEVER throw a dog back into the shelter. If he was to pick one out for himself he would choose a mutt or a dog that he couldn't be capable of which is why we have to get one alone without his knowing. We have to get one that will be easy for him to handle and take care of.

Second of all, he wouldn't even allow us to buy food and supplies. You don't know my grandfather. He will even pay you for paper prints you get at FedEx Kinko’s for 50 cents. He refuses to not pay you even when you say, don't worry about it.

rainsmom (7/25/2008)

although you might have a problem adopting one if your grandpa isnt there I know our shelters will not adopt out a pet that is to be a christmas gift without the person recieving the dog is there, due to the fact that many christmas gifts end up in the shelter when the newness wears off.

We are still debating if we should get a Cocker Spaniel or Shetland sheepdog from a rescue. That reason that you posted above is exactly why we don't want a shelter dog. People are very...shameful to put a dog back in a pound after the "spark" wears off. That is something my grandfather could never have the heart to do. Thank you all for your thoughts and concern.

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rainsmom — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:21:10 GMT

I agree with caninejan. a shelter would be a good place to check out. you dont have to adopt a dog if they dont have what you are looking for. our dog pound has at this time 2 purebred labs one yellow one black, 2 brittanys, and a basset hound. the yellow lab was an owner surrender due to allergies and is completley trained, so you can get dogs that are trained at a shelter. also you could check out petfinder.com and see what they got. although you might have a problem adopting one if your grandpa isnt there I know our shelters will not adopt out a pet that is to be a christmas gift without the person recieving the dog is there, due to the fact that many christmas gifts end up in the shelter when the newness wears off.

RE: "Thinking" of getting grandfather a dog.

caninejan — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:13:34 GMT

Also, you should ALWAYS allow for a 2-4 week "transition" period with an adopted dog. There will most likely be testing during that period of time, so be ready for it. The dog will come to understand the new rules it must live by and will be eternally grateful for the good home it's provided with.

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caninejan — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:09:34 GMT

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dogsRme — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:53:23 GMT

caninejan (7/24/2008)

Why don't you just take your grandfather for a ride to the local shelter or to an all breed rescue and let him choose one for himself ????

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dobermom — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:11:26 GMT

very good Idea.

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caninejan — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:03:47 GMT

Why don't you just take your grandfather for a ride to the local shelter or to an all breed rescue and let him choose one for himself ????

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dobermom — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:51:50 GMT

Spaniel14 (7/20/2008)

i have a cocker myself, layed back as can be

See, I have never came across a Spaniel that was laid back.
The ones I met in my 20 Years of owning, fostering dogs, were so hyper, they drove me nuts.

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dobermom — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:50:23 GMT

lover of dogs (7/20/2008)

designer dogs are mutts and no matter what you want to say about that its the truth that they are mutts period.you are totally wrong on that

That is true.
You can get the same dog , and save a life in a shelter.
And you do not have to shell out an idiotic amount of money.

RE: "Thinking" of getting grandfather a dog.

dogsRme — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:55:57 GMT

outcast13 (7/20/2008)

Sorry star,I'm writing this on the boards because I'd like to say sorry if Someone felt annoyed or threatened by my comments. Absoulubtly I'll stop, If DogsRme respects my wishes and stops throwing around the word "mutt" at me. This is why I keep replying. I will respect your wishes Star, because yes you usually seem like a very nice person. If this continues I will use PM's. i'm sorry that my comments are annoying some people, understand, I do usually like to stay out of fights. This is just one of those things I really am mule stubborn about, I just am and I know it. I just simply don't like the term "mutt", Designer dog or not, I like the term mixed breed. Like I said the word "mutt" just pushes my buttons, and it's like an inferior word to me. "cross" and "hybrid" are also okay w/ me when describing my dogs heritage. I just feel attacked and hurt by DogsRmes first comments and this is why I've written what I did. I am not sorry about what I wrote, but I am sorry that this has led to a fight. I just feel very strongly about this. My intent was not to hurt anybody.

If you have issues and get defensive over owning a mutt then you have some serious issues. You should be proud of the dog you own regarless of the breed. If you want to continue to argue with me, please take into pming and covering up my topic in false information. I didn't start anything, and as far as anyone cares, it's not about who started what its about who is the better person to end the argument and walk away. Thank you for your apology.

To define a breed, a dog must breed true, AKA produce consistant traits within each puppy in a litter over several generations. Designer dogs do not fit this catagory as mixing two unlike genotypes produces completely inconsistant results. A designer dog does have the potential to become purebred if breeders consistantly choose traits over many generations (I would say many many people working together for at minimum 25 or so years) and do some degree of inbreeding. This is how the succeded with breeds like the Black Russian Terrier, however simply sticking two breeds together doesn't make a new one.

Thank you so much for saying that! That is exactly that I have been trying to explain for the past 2 days. My mind is totally dead right now, I been at this four day concert with my laptop and I haven't had much sleep then tomorrow morning, I got a different work schedule and I work in the morning instead of afternoon. Thank you for providing that information and I hope some younger children read it and learn from those who are going to college for this stuff and know what they are talking about.

Finally, I would like to thank those who haven't gotten off-topic on my post. All your information has helped us a lot. My grandmother says the dog will have to be outside. We told her she has no choice that we are getting him a dog. She is having a royal fit and she said it is staying outside so now shedding is not a problem. I am sure like starry*boy stated that it will be a good bonding experience for my grandfather.

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outcast13 — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:50:39 GMT

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Spaniel14 — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:42:04 GMT

i have a cocker myself, layed back as can be

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PudelGrl — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:40:10 GMT

outcast13 (7/20/2008)

dogsRme (7/20/2008)

Outcast, I said it once and I am only going to say it once more.....Why would I get a "designer dog" even if it’s a rescue when we don't want to get our grandfather a "mutt?" That makes no sense when the plain fact and truth is that designer dogs are "mutts." I won't sugarcoat it for you and they say the truth hurts but I asked you kindly to stop hijacking this thread and I am being nice one last time, if you hack it up again then I will have to report you and ask for the moderator to delete your posts. Respect me and I will respect you.

Sorry, no he's not a mutt. I know exactly what is in his lineage. And your not asking me kindly you are being very rude, and you clearly started it if you look back at the first posts. If you would like to report me, fine. I have done nothing wrong but disagree w/ you. If that's a crime, then for all means report me!!

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SchnauzerFan — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:37:37 GMT

How about a Cocker Spaniel. We had one for many years and she was a wonderful dog. They need some grooming if you keep their hair long, but are not high shedders. Lady loved to chase the squirrels out of our yard - we'd let her out, she'd chase them away, and then come running back to come in the house. She knew it was her job and loved it.

I also think that the suggestion of getting an older dog is a great idea. Some shelters offer 'seniors for seniors' programs.

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lover of dogs — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:58:52 GMT

designer dogs are mutts and no matter what you want to say about that its the truth that they are mutts period.you are totally wrong on that

RE: "Thinking" of getting grandfather a dog.

starry*boy — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:51:15 GMT

outcast13 (7/20/2008)

dogsRme (7/20/2008)

outcast, can you PLEASE STOP!! If dogsRme asked you to stop why in the sam dickin hills are you replying?!? Next, as bad as I would like my dog Star to be a purebred to be able to comepete in dog shows the fact remains he is a mutt. I know his breed and I know the percent in each breed but that don't make him not no mutt. I am sorry but I have to agree that a designer dog is a mutt. convince yourself or not that its a purebred you have to face the facts its a mutt. Sheesh. I am sendin ya a PM and I hope you don't hijack this thread anymore by replying to me instead reply in a PM. There is a difference between standing up for what you believe in and being as stubborn as a mule. Somethings you gotta let go and somethings you gotta learn to ignore..this is being one of them, Thank you.

Dogsrme I wish you the best in your dog breed choice and I hope your grandmother allows him to keep it. Is it gonna be a x-mas gift or a birthday? I am sure it will cheer him up Remember that dog does need grooming but that should be good bonding experince for your pap! Best of luck!

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outcast13 — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:48:20 GMT

dogsRme (7/20/2008)

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dogsRme — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:16:31 GMT

Outcast, I said it once and I am only going to say it once more.....Why would I get a "designer dog" even if it’s a rescue when we don't want to get our grandfather a "mutt?" That makes no sense when the plain fact and truth is that designer dogs are "mutts." I won't sugarcoat it for you and they say the truth hurts but I asked you kindly to stop hijacking this thread and I am being nice one last time, if you hack it up again then I will have to report you and ask for the moderator to delete your posts. Respect me and I will respect you.

Dobermom, we are getting an older dog from a rescue which it will be a purebred. I totally agree that the dog won't call on command and it will have to get use to all new surroundings but we wanted a dog that was trained so our grandfather wouldn't have to do too much. My grandfather still farms and he is well into his 80's. He grows his own garden and he is very capable of cleaning the dog dung up, and so forth. He use to raise cattle, pigs and horses, I am pretty sure he is well capable of taking care of a dog. It will have to be an outside dog.

Well thank you all for your input, well some of you anyway. Rainsmom, I am grateful for your help. I think my mom will agree to get the Shetland sheep dog. We will be getting our grandfather a dog with training! I will let you know later on down the road.

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dobermom — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:32:00 GMT

well, that is comforting to know.

But, the Word *trained* does not necessarily mean, the dog will be * front and center * from the beginning.
He needs to acclimatize to the new environment .
And he also might exhibit some odd behavior , due to the new enviroment.

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rainsmom — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:10:34 GMT

dobermom (7/20/2008)

what else no one has talked about is, what happens to the dog, when grandpa ist no longer under the living?
And why a puppy?
I would never ever give an Senior as your gradfather age a puppy.
Old people do not have the patience to potty train, to get up at night to let the dog out.
The financial situation has anybody thought about that?

People need to stop throwing breeds at them, you all need to take step back, and look at the situation at hand.
A old person does not need a puppy.
And that porsauna , not Mix breed is Bullsh$t.
What your grandfather needs is a older dog, he can live his golden years with that pet.

Unless you want to take the time to go over there and potty train
feed,
let him out at night.

If grandpa does not like this situation, he does not need a dog.
Period.

And there is nothing wrong with a Mixed breed dog in a shelter.
Mix breeds are more resiliant, and are the same thankful creatures as a purebreed.

an older rescue dog is what they are going to get. he said they wanted an older already trained dog

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dobermom — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:11:32 GMT

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rainsmom — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:21:59 GMT

Rainsmom: $150.00 for eight weeks seems kind of cheap. What state are you from? I’m from Pennsylvania. Do they charge sales tax on training? I know my grandfather would like a Shetland, they remind him of a smaller version of "lassie." Now could you tell me what would be the downside to a King Charles and a Brittany compared to a Shetland?

I live in a small city in north west ohio. its a private trainer they dont charge tax they just train because they are retired and they love dogs. they also are our 4-h advisors.

king charles would probably be a good choice to but they are smaller and I thought you wanted a dog that was more medium sized I really dont know much about them. as for the brittanys we have one in our 4-h club and while he is a sweetheart he is a very active dog of course he is only 2 so maybe he will calm down when he is older, but I do know at this time he runs for aprox 4 miles every day plus swims in a pound for about 1/2 -1 hour plus does agilty training and is being trained to hunt I dont know if that is what most brits are like but leo is certinly a bundle of energy!!

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outcast13 — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:35:00 GMT

dogsRme (7/20/2008)

I or anyone I know for that matter classifies a designer dog as a purebred. I say Schnoodle so people know my dogs heritage. To me there are three types of classifications

1) purebreds

2) mixed breeds ( I do not prefer the term "mutt")
3) Crossbreeds.
What I am tired of Is people telling me I have a "mutt" in a disgustful way. And it's not just on the internet either. I had a garage sale awhile back and a man asked his breed. I said Schnoodle. And he went off on me on how my dog was "an overexpensive good-for-nothin mutt". If 1 thing that gets my feeling hurt and my blood boiling it is this topic right here. In my eyes, a mutt has unknown ancestry. A crossbreed of two purebreds doesnt. It all comes down to definition. I paid a measly $100 for my dog, yet people still call my dog an overpriced mutt. Well HE isn't.

I don't care how much your dog did or didn't cost. I am sure the guy wasn't saying that you paid a lot of money for the dog, he was stating a clear fact that "designer dogs/mutts" are over priced. You shouldn't get upset at that fact. I would never call a designer dog a "purebred" and I know others will back me up when I say they are just "mutts" with a fancy name. What makes me mad is after I said that I didn't want to debate this anymore because we don't want to get my grandfather a "MUTT" you keep debating it. Yeah, all purebreds come from crossbreeds but they haven't been bred from generation to generation to be one complete breed. I wish you would get that, "mutt" is not anywhere near a bad or hurtful word. Your dog is a mutt, you can doodle it all up all you want with fancy names but the fact remains no matter what, your dog will always remain a "mutt." Now with that said, Outcast, could you please stay off of this topic, I don't want you hijacking it anymore with foolish nonsense and getting off topic. I already explained why we are not getting a mutt and that includes your so called "designer dogs" because they are mutts.

Sorry no, I will Not stop "hijacking it with anymore foolish nonsense". When somebody says this, thats a good reason for me to keep going. I am Not saying foolish nonsense YOU started this w/ your "overpriced mutt" nonscence after I politely said "I know this isn't a purebred, but A Rescue Labradoodle would be good". And I already said the word mutt I consider disrespectful, Yet you just used that word to describe my dog!! And I don't care if you get someone else to "back you up". You do that. I KNOW for a fact the dog community generally frowns upon Designer dogs, and I don't care what they say. I will still call my dog a crossbreed, thats all there is too it. I am proud to say That I have a Schnoodle and I have a designer dog, and I wouldn't have it any other way. I would have paid $3000 for him if I had too!

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dogsRme — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:07:13 GMT

I or anyone I know for that matter classifies a designer dog as a purebred. I say Schnoodle so people know my dogs heritage. To me there are three types of classifications

1) purebreds

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rainsmom — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:52:01 GMT

I would suggest a shetland sheepdog over a spaniel. shelties can be just fine without a lot of exercise, unlike all the spanials I have seen they were all hyper and needed a way to burn off all that energy!

also i didnt mean the lessons were 150 for each lesson, but 150 for all 8 lessons

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outcast13 — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:41:39 GMT

dogsRme (7/19/2008)

outcast13 (7/19/2008)

dogsRme (7/19/2008)

Outcast, why should we pay an outrageous price on a "mutt" that has a fancy name when I can just go to a shelter and pick up a "mutt" and name it whatever I want for a lot cheeper? For all I care, I can adopt a dog that is a cross between an eskie and a poodle and name it a "eskieoodle" and it still wouldn't be anything more than a "mutt" which you can never be sure what traits it will bring on.

I think your missing the point, would you be so kind as to tell me where I said to pay an "outrageous Price for a mutt". I said you could find a RESUCE OR SHELTER labradoodle, which will have THE SAME PRICE AS ANY OTHER DOG AT THAT RESCUE. I offered a suggestion and you are trying to stab me with it. If I would have said "Labrador and Poodle mix would you have felt better? huh? Because I didn't use the "designer dog name" And of course You can't know the exact traits ( I know that, I have a Schnoodle and Know Quite alot about designer dogs, thank you.) How could you know the exact traits? Most designer dogs are F1 generations. However, over time, the generations would come to a standard. If you'd like to get technical, the only true purebreds are wolves. THE EXACT SAME WAY THEY BREED THESE CROSSBREEDS NOW IS THE SAME WAY YOUR LAB WAS MADE. keep that in mind.

My point being is that we don't want a "mutt" for our grandfather because we want to know the traits it will carry in the dog. So why would I want a so called "designer dog?" That makes no sense. My point was to make you see, just because it got a fancy name over it doesn’t mean that you will know the traits will display. If I wanted a mutt or in your words "designer dog" I would have already planned on getting a shelter dog that was a mutt.

Purebreds are different then "designer dogs" because they have been bred down from generation to generation to get the right traits every time. Meanwhile, it doesn't matter to me what you say, designer dog of lab/poodle mix, it is still a mutt. If I was dissing or disliking your designer dogs, it’s not because they are mixed. I am tired of people trying to push their mutts into purebreds by a fancy name.

We should stop arguing about this, we all decided it will be either Shetland, or some sort of spaniel which I need help in deciding. I would explain more but I am to tired to. It is nearing midnight.

I or anyone I know for that matter classifies a designer dog as a purebred. I say Schnoodle so people know my dogs heritage. To me there are three types of classifications

1) purebreds

2) mixed breeds ( I do not prefer the term "mutt")

3) Crossbreeds.

What I am tired of Is people telling me I have a "mutt" in a disgustful way. And it's not just on the internet either. I had a garage sale awhile back and a man asked his breed. I said Schnoodle. And he went off on me on how my dog was "an overexpensive good-for-nothin mutt". If 1 thing that gets my feeling hurt and my blood boiling it is this topic right here. In my eyes, a mutt has unknown ancestry. A crossbreed of two purebreds doesnt. It all comes down to definition. I paid a measly $100 for my dog, yet people still call my dog an overpriced mutt. Well HE isn't.

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dogsRme — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:23:27 GMT

outcast13 (7/19/2008)

dogsRme (7/19/2008)

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outcast13 — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:53:54 GMT

dogsRme (7/19/2008)

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lover of dogs — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:26:47 GMT

i heard that a goldendoodle is a good dog for an older person and doesnt shed at all or standard poodle